• Problem report

    From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Roy Witt on Wed Mar 6 19:11:52 2013
    Re: Problem report
    By: Roy Witt to James Haight on Thu Feb 28 2013 10:28 am

    Did they ever come up with a 'cure' for the engine fires those cars were prone to having?

    Brace the battery? I thought the fires were related to acid spills from the battery.
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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Apr 13 10:15:19 2013
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Roy Witt:

    Did they ever come up with a 'cure' for the engine fires those cars
    were prone to having?

    Brace the battery? I thought the fires were related to acid spills
    from the battery.

    May have been, but there were also fuel leaks that fed the fires...


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  • From Jim Haight@1:322/757 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Apr 22 20:19:52 2013
    Re: Problem report

    By: Roy Witt to James Haight on Thu Feb 28 2013 10:28 am
    Did they ever come up with a 'cure' for the engine fires those cars were prone to having?

    I do believe the fires were caused by fuel line faults. It was one of the
    first fuel injected cars and I think the line was about 60psi. There was a recall on the upper fuel lines to be replaced. I have long since lost the Haynes manuel which was my bible.

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  • From Eric Hutchins@1:218/150 to Jim Haight on Sun Jun 2 23:34:00 2013
    Re: Problem report

    I do believe the fires were caused by fuel line faults. It was one of the first fuel injected cars and I think the line was about 60psi. There was a recall on the upper fuel lines to be replaced. I have long since lost the Haynes manuel which was my bible.
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    Were you talking about Fieros?

    Eric

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  • From Jim Haight@1:322/757 to Eric Hutchins on Tue Jun 11 17:01:27 2013
    Re: Problem report

    Were you talking about Fieros?
    Eric
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    No.... Porsche 914! It had a VW bus engine in it basically but the Germans always experimented with alloy combinations. Afterall, an aircooled engine should expand and contract and keep it's tolerances. I remember someone getting a new beetle in 1973 and the thing started leaking oil soon after
    they got it. I suspect the engine tolerances changed rather rapidly. Well, to cut to the quick, there was a hefty percentage of magnesium in the alloy
    which, when ignited properly, would be impossible to put out. I think this plagued even the 911 flat six from time to time but I would have to research it. Fieros? Now is that a play on the word fire?

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to JIM HAIGHT on Tue Jun 18 06:54:00 2013
    Were you talking about Fieros?
    Eric
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    No.... Porsche 914! It had a VW bus engine in it basically but the Germans JH>always experimented with alloy combinations. Afterall, an aircooled engine JH>should expand and contract and keep it's tolerances. I remember someone JH>getting a new beetle in 1973 and the thing started leaking oil soon after JH>they got it. I suspect the engine tolerances changed rather rapidly. Well, t JH>cut to the quick, there was a hefty percentage of magnesium in the alloy JH>which, when ignited properly, would be impossible to put out. I think this JH>plagued even the 911 flat six from time to time but I would have to research JH>it. Fieros? Now is that a play on the word fire?

    Magnesium fires cannot be extinguished by water. Magnesium continues to
    burn after oxygen is depleted. It than reacts with nitrogen from air to
    form magnesium nitride (Mg3N2). When attempts are made to extinguish
    magnesium fires with water, magnesium aggressively reacts with hydrogen
    gas. To prevent any damage, a magnesium fire must be covered in sand.

    An example of a magnesium compound is magnesium phosphide (Mg3P2), an
    odorous, grey solid. When this compound comes in contact with water or
    moist air, it is decomposed and phosphine (PH3) is formed. This is a
    toxic compound, and it is also very flammable in air.

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  • From Jim Haight@1:322/757 to TOM WALKER on Sat Jun 22 07:44:44 2013
    Re: Problem report

    Magnesium fires cannot be extinguished by water. Magnesium continues to
    burn after oxygen is depleted. It than reacts with nitrogen from air to
    form magnesium nitride (Mg3N2). When attempts are made to extinguish magnesium fires with water, magnesium aggressively reacts with hydrogen
    gas. To prevent any damage, a magnesium fire must be covered in sand.
    An example of a magnesium compound is magnesium phosphide (Mg3P2), an odorous, grey solid. When this compound comes in contact with water or
    moist air, it is decomposed and phosphine (PH3) is formed. This is a
    toxic compound, and it is also very flammable in air.

    Yep! All you can do is walk away..very fast!

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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Jim Haight on Sat Jun 22 10:26:43 2013
    Jim Haight wrote to TOM WALKER:

    Magnesium fires cannot be extinguished by water. Magnesium continues
    to burn after oxygen is depleted. It than reacts with nitrogen from
    air to form magnesium nitride (Mg3N2). When attempts are made to
    extinguish magnesium fires with water, magnesium aggressively reacts
    with hydrogen gas. To prevent any damage, a magnesium fire must be
    covered in sand. An example of a magnesium compound is magnesium
    phosphide (Mg3P2), an odorous, grey solid. When this compound comes in
    contact with water or moist air, it is decomposed and phosphine (PH3)
    is formed. This is a toxic compound, and it is also very flammable in
    air.

    Yep! All you can do is walk away..very fast!

    On the contrary, you can throw dirt on it and it will smother, IF you
    caught it soon enough. When I worked at Boeing, they had magnesium fire extinguishers and every machinist who was machining magnesium had an extinguisher and an operator standing by. I was a tool & die maker there
    and had the run of everywhere anybody with a 'secret' security clearance
    could go. Boeing's SST wing pivot was made out of magnesium and there
    was never a fire that got out of hand that I knew of...


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