• chip programmers?

    From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to all on Sun Oct 25 09:29:10 2015
    has anyone had any experiance with chip programmer tools like the Superchips 1842 Flashpaq Tuner? my ford expedition has over-sized tires on it and the main
    thing i'm wanting to do is to get the mph and mpg reading properly so i have a better idea of how the vehicle is running... i might adjust a few other things or even drop in one of the premade performance data sets but the main thing is the mph and mpg...

    everywhere i look i see apparently good things about this device but i'm not so
    sure about the $$$... i've seen it anywhere from $295US to $350US...

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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Mark Lewis on Wed Oct 28 11:46:58 2015
    has anyone had any experiance with chip programmer tools like the Superchips 1842 Flashpaq Tuner? my ford expedition has over-sized tires
    on it and the main thing i'm wanting to do is to get the mph and mpg reading properly so i have a better idea of how the vehicle is running...
    i might adjust a few other things or even drop in one of the premade performance data sets but the main thing is the mph and mpg...

    No, but I have been interested in knowing more about them. I have never had the need for one, but not sure if there is some type of standard - or if you have to get a chip programmer for your particular brand of vehicle.

    If anyone has information on them, that would be great.

    - Mark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Mark Hofmann on Wed Oct 28 20:19:20 2015
    28 Oct 15 11:46, you wrote to me:

    has anyone had any experiance with chip programmer tools like the
    Superchips 1842 Flashpaq Tuner? my ford expedition has over-sized
    tires on it and the main thing i'm wanting to do is to get the mph
    and mpg reading properly so i have a better idea of how the vehicle
    is running... i might adjust a few other things or even drop in one
    of the premade performance data sets but the main thing is the mph
    and mpg...

    No, but I have been interested in knowing more about them. I have
    never had the need for one, but not sure if there is some type of
    standard - or if you have to get a chip programmer for your particular brand of vehicle.

    from what i can tell, the device is a chip programer... you just have to make sure that the one you get has code for your vehicle...

    If anyone has information on them, that would be great.

    i've been hoping that others would chime in... i was starting to wonder it my post hadn't gotten out...

    R.I.P. Rev. Eli Sanford

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  • From Jim Haight@1:322/757 to mark lewis on Thu Oct 29 17:35:08 2015
    Re: chip programmers?

    from what i can tell, the device is a chip programer... you just have to make sure that the one you get has code for your vehicle...
    i've been hoping that others would chime in... i was starting to wonder it my post hadn't gotten out...
    R.I.P. Rev. Eli Sanford

    I would recommend reading a forum for your car. There was someone on the Ford Escape forum (Escape-city.com) who was writing custom programs for some of
    the folks who were in need of changing their power curve and speedometer readings to accomodate oversized or taller profile tires. I tried to go back and see who it was because the customers were satisfied with the product. I know that a lot of Jeep Wranger folks were getting tunes to accomodate taller tires as well. Perhaps this is the place to look.

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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Mark Lewis on Sat Oct 31 08:18:25 2015
    from what i can tell, the device is a chip programer... you just have to make sure that the one you get has code for your vehicle...

    If anyone has information on them, that would be great.

    i've been hoping that others would chime in... i was starting to wonder
    it my post hadn't gotten out...

    R.I.P. Rev. Eli Sanford

    I'll see if I can dig up some information on the chip programmers. I have never seen or used one, myself. I have several applications on both my laptop and phone that I use vai ODBII - but they are all for monitoring, reading codes, and clearing codes, etc. Not for programming.

    Yes, Eli was a great asset to the BBS community and will be greatly missed. I'm
    still in shock about the entire thing...

    - Mark

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  • From Jim Haight@1:322/757 to Mark Hofmann on Wed Nov 11 18:22:36 2015
    Re: Re: chip programmers?

    I'll see if I can dig up some information on the chip programmers. I have ne seen or used one, myself. I have several applications on both my laptop and phone that I use vai ODBII - but they are all for monitoring, reading codes, clearing codes, etc. Not for programming.

    The most popular one that I have seen is the COBB tune for Subaru WRX, Ford Fiesta and Focus ST and I believe Mini Coopers. It comes with a hand held controller and some preconfigured programs but you can actually collect data from dyno runs and create your own custom tunes. Far more complex than the
    APR tune I had on my VW GTi

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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Jim Haight on Thu Nov 12 10:20:36 2015
    The most popular one that I have seen is the COBB tune for Subaru WRX,
    Ford Fiesta and Focus ST and I believe Mini Coopers. It comes with a hand held controller and some preconfigured programs but you can actually collect data from dyno runs and create your own custom tunes. Far more complex than the APR tune I had on my VW GTi

    I would eventually like to see some rooting (modding) of the in-car computers. Making it so you can add android apps and things like that.

    Being able to run Waze on your in car display would be cool.

    - Mark

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  • From Jim Haight@1:322/757 to Mark Hofmann on Fri Nov 13 05:05:05 2015
    Re: Re: chip programmers?

    I would eventually like to see some rooting (modding) of the in-car computers Making it so you can add android apps and things like that.
    Being able to run Waze on your in car display would be cool.
    - Mark

    My biggest fear would be people hacking into the car's ECU and.... well you know the rest.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Mark Hofmann on Fri Nov 13 09:32:01 2015
    Re: Re: chip programmers?
    By: Mark Hofmann to Jim Haight on Thu Nov 12 2015 10:20 am

    Being able to run Waze on your in car display would be cool.

    That brings up a pain point I've had -- the crappiness of proprietary in-dash systems. I have a 2014 Prius, and the display looks and feels dated now. Updates are yearly at best.

    I've seen people fit 7 inch Android tablets into the space without a lot of effort, I'm tempted to do so.
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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Jim Haight on Fri Nov 13 14:11:16 2015
    My biggest fear would be people hacking into the car's ECU and.... well
    you know the rest.

    That could be a potential problem, but I thought you needed a special piece of hardware to program the ECM and TCM.

    - Mark

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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Nov 14 08:25:30 2015
    That brings up a pain point I've had -- the crappiness of proprietary in-dash systems. I have a 2014 Prius, and the display looks and feels
    dated now. Updates are yearly at best.

    I've seen people fit 7 inch Android tablets into the space without a lot
    of effort, I'm tempted to do so.

    I keep waiting for someone to hack the console for my car so I can customize it. Basically the same thing you can do to smart phones.

    The only issue would be I have no cell service native to my car, but if it could tether with my cell phone, that would be great!

    Then you could run Waze on the car's system which would be tethered from your cell phone.

    - Mark

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  • From ED KOON@1:123/140 to MARK HOFMANN on Thu Jan 14 09:52:34 2016
    On Nov 13, 2015 02:11pm, MARK HOFMANN wrote to JIM HAIGHT:

    My biggest fear would be people hacking into the car's ECU and.... well JH>> you know the rest.

    That could be a potential problem, but I thought you needed a special
    piece of hardware to program the ECM and TCM.

    Guess it's old news, but someone hacked a Jeep Grand Cherokee and took control of the steering and drove it into a ditch.

    All this tech stuff in cars is cool but the cost of maintaining it after the vehicle is out of warranty will be cost prohibitive.

    I'll stick with my old 1988 Chrysler LeBaron that still runs and drives
    great.. They don't make em like they used to.. LOL!

    Regards,

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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Ed Koon on Fri Jan 15 09:37:11 2016
    Guess it's old news, but someone hacked a Jeep Grand Cherokee and took control of the steering and drove it into a ditch.

    All this tech stuff in cars is cool but the cost of maintaining it after the vehicle is out of warranty will be cost prohibitive.

    I'll stick with my old 1988 Chrysler LeBaron that still runs and drives great.. They don't make em like they used to.. LOL!

    There is something to be said about the older non-tech vehicles. Positives and
    negatives. I enjoy having both. :)

    The new cars with lots of tech can be very effecient and maximize HP, etc. The
    older cars can be easier to troubleshoot and much less "moving parts".

    I simple failed O2 sensor can make a vehicle run so bad, it can hardly move. These things wouldn't be in play on the older cars.

    Same with motorcycles. My 2003 Harley is all manual (no computer). No O2 sensor, no computer, carb (no fuel injection). This actually worked to my advantage once when my stator (alternator) stopped charging the bike while I was riding.

    I was able to get a hot-shot to get it started, then rode it all the way home with basically next to no electrical power. Even my lights went dim to off. That would have never worked on the newer bikes with the computers.

    - Mark

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  • From Jim Haight@1:322/757 to Mark Hofmann on Wed Jan 27 05:32:13 2016
    Re: Re: chip programmers?

    There is something to be said about the older non-tech vehicles. Positives a negatives. I enjoy having both. :)

    One thing I don't miss.... You can tell when you are driving behind a carburated car nowadays because of the smell. When carbs deteriorate, they
    are far less efficient. I think we used to take if for granted.

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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Jim Haight on Thu Jan 28 09:03:50 2016
    One thing I don't miss.... You can tell when you are driving behind a carburated car nowadays because of the smell. When carbs deteriorate,
    they are far less efficient. I think we used to take if for granted.

    That and not having a catalytic converter. That made a big difference when it comes to smell.

    The downside of having a computer control the vehicle is it totally relies on the sensors. If one fails in a strange way it can cause the vehicle to run horrible. I had an O2 sensor fail in a strange way on the Durango once. Instead of just going dead - which would have put the computer into a fail-safe
    mode with regards to the O2 sensor, it was telling the computer it was getting too much gas (maxed the voltage reading and was stuck at that point). This caused the truck to be starved for gas and could hardly get it to drive home.

    When I hooked it up to my laptop, I saw that O2 sensor fail with a steady high voltage vs the fluctuating reading you would normally see. I replaced that O2 sensor and it ran perfect again. You would have thought the motor was dead just from the O2 sensor.

    - Mark

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Mark Hofmann on Thu Jan 28 10:27:40 2016
    Re: Re: chip programmers?
    By: Mark Hofmann to Jim Haight on Thu Jan 28 2016 09:03 am

    One thing I don't miss.... You can tell when you are driving behind
    a carburated car nowadays because of the smell. When carbs
    deteriorate, they are far less efficient. I think we used to take if
    for granted.

    I thought the smell was more likely oil getting pulled past old rings?
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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to MARK HOFMANN on Mon Feb 1 17:25:00 2016
    One thing I don't miss.... You can tell when you are driving behind a MH>JH> carburated car nowadays because of the smell. When carbs deteriorate, MH>JH> they are far less efficient. I think we used to take if for granted.

    That and not having a catalytic converter. That made a big difference when MH>comes to smell.

    The downside of having a computer control the vehicle is it totally relies o MH>the sensors. If one fails in a strange way it can cause the vehicle to run MH>horrible. I had an O2 sensor fail in a strange way on the Durango once. MH>Instead of just going dead - which would have put the computer into a fail-s MH>mode with regards to the O2 sensor, it was telling the computer it was getti MH>too much gas (maxed the voltage reading and was stuck at that point). This MH>caused the truck to be starved for gas and could hardly get it to drive home

    When I hooked it up to my laptop, I saw that O2 sensor fail with a steady hi MH>voltage vs the fluctuating reading you would normally see. I replaced that MH>sensor and it ran perfect again. You would have thought the motor was dead MH>just from the O2 sensor.

    - Mark

    That is called the limp home mode. i had my Chev S10 have that happen
    once.
    It is a deliberate action because of the SMOG laws.
    My Toyota Tacoma has Two oxygen sensors. One before the Cat converter to
    set the Fuel Air ratio and another one after the Cat converter to tweek
    the Emissions.
    I just had to have them both replaced and they are NOT cheep.
    The Air/Fuel sensor war $250 and the Reat sensor was $124
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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to KURT WEISKE on Mon Feb 1 17:27:00 2016
    Re: Re: chip programmers?
    By: Mark Hofmann to Jim Haight on Thu Jan 28 2016 09:03 am

    One thing I don't miss.... You can tell when you are driving behind JH>> a carburated car nowadays because of the smell. When carbs
    deteriorate, they are far less efficient. I think we used to take if JH>> for granted.

    I thought the smell was more likely oil getting pulled past old rings?

    Some of it is but most is over rich misture and you are smelling
    unburned hot fuel
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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Tom Walker on Tue Feb 2 12:34:02 2016
    That is called the limp home mode. i had my Chev S10 have that happen
    once.
    It is a deliberate action because of the SMOG laws.
    My Toyota Tacoma has Two oxygen sensors. One before the Cat converter to set the Fuel Air ratio and another one after the Cat converter to tweek
    the Emissions.
    I just had to have them both replaced and they are NOT cheep.
    The Air/Fuel sensor war $250 and the Reat sensor was $124

    Yes, limp mode is when the computer is not reading or getting any data from a particular sensor. Like when one of the wires that went to my transmission wore though and broke - causing the car to be stuck in 3rd gear.

    This particular case was odd, given the O2 sensor was still sending a signal, but it was constant high voltage (causing the computer to think it is running way too rich).

    Then the truck wasn't getting enough gas and was sputtering. It would have been better to just disconnect the O2 sensor completely.

    - Mark

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