• 42K miles on my plug-in P

    From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to KURT WEISKE on Mon Feb 1 17:32:00 2016
    I just replaced the OEM tires, which were going bald, with Michelin Defender KW>We'll see if a tire can be low-rolling-resistance, last 90K miles and handle KW>better than the OEMs.

    The new LRR tires are nice, but handling has been skittish compared to my Ca KW>with wider, traditional tires. The Defenders are supposed to be a better KW>handling tire somewhere between a conventional tire and a LRR tire.

    From the reports i have read that is true.
    And the reason i wil be putting a set of thme o nthe Wifes Subaru.
    Which typicaly require al 4 times be replaced at the same time because
    their Full Time AWD is very picky about tire diameter. All 4 must be
    fairly closely matched other wise the AWD system can be damaged.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to TOM WALKER on Mon Feb 1 18:37:40 2016
    Re: 42K miles on my plug-in P
    By: TOM WALKER to KURT WEISKE on Mon Feb 01 2016 05:32 pm

    From the reports i have read that is true.
    And the reason i wil be putting a set of thme o nthe Wifes Subaru.
    Which typicaly require al 4 times be replaced at the same time because their Full Time AWD is very picky about tire diameter. All 4 must be fairly closely matched other wise the AWD system can be damaged.

    After a week on the Defenders I'm pretty happy. Wet weather handling is excellent compared to the LRR tires, and I took a 4 mpg hit, but the Defenders will last twice as long as the LRR tires I'm replacing.
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  • From Bill Burton@1:2215/15 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Feb 2 10:22:09 2016
    Kurt Weiske wrote in a message to TOM WALKER:

    Re: 42K miles on my plug-in P
    By: TOM WALKER to KURT WEISKE on Mon Feb 01 2016 05:32 pm

    From the reports i have read that is true.
    And the reason i wil be putting a set of thme o nthe Wifes Subaru.
    Which typicaly require al 4 times be replaced at the same time because their Full Time AWD is very picky about tire diameter. All 4 must be fairly closely matched other wise the AWD system can be damaged.

    After a week on the Defenders I'm pretty happy. Wet weather
    handling is excellent compared to the LRR tires, and I took a 4 mpg
    hit, but the Defenders will last twice as long as the LRR tires I'm replacing.

    What kind of fuel mileage are you getting on the plug in prius?

    My wife has a 2006 prius with 120k on it and it is on its third set of tires. the tires are goodyears and are a factory replacement type. we are still getting over 50 mpg.

    Later,
    Bill

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Bill Burton on Wed Feb 3 00:49:47 2016
    Re: 42K miles on my plug-in P
    By: Bill Burton to Kurt Weiske on Tue Feb 02 2016 10:22 am

    What kind of fuel mileage are you getting on the plug in prius?

    It all depends on my plugging in. A full charge gets me 11 miles worth at 100 MPGe. I get 50 around town, 48-49 on the freeway. With a couple of charges at work a week, that figure gets up into the high 50s or low 60s.

    I have a 1700 foot mountain pass between me and work, I usually get 44-46 MPG if I don't charge.
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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Feb 3 10:11:52 2016
    I have a 1700 foot mountain pass between me and work, I usually get 44-46 MPG if I don't charge.

    That is about the gas mileage I get on my HD.

    Both my Charger and Monte Carlo average in the upper 20s. Typically around 27MPG. My daily commute to work is 37 miles one way, so I drive (or ride) close to 80 miles on an average work day.

    - Mark

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Kurt Weiske on Fri May 27 03:19:30 2016
    It all depends on my plugging in. A full charge gets me 11 miles worth at
    100
    MPGe. I get 50 around town, 48-49 on the freeway. With a couple of charges
    at
    work a week, that figure gets up into the high 50s or low 60s.

    The million dollar question is what kind of increase did you have on
    your electric bill?

    Allen
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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sun May 29 20:30:54 2016
    It all depends on my plugging in. A full charge gets me 11 miles worth at
    100
    MPGe. I get 50 around town, 48-49 on the freeway. With a couple of charges
    at
    work a week, that figure gets up into the high 50s or low 60s.

    The million dollar question is what kind of increase did you have on
    your electric bill?

    Allen
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    Another point is what type of power plant supplies your electric power and
    how much pollution does it emit for your charging.
    I find it Funny that they describe some electric autos as "ZERO" Emission"
    as they ignore the power source of the charging current.

    To
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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Tom Walker on Mon May 30 00:27:46 2016
    On May 29, 2016 08:34pm, TOM WALKER wrote to ALLEN PRUNTY:

    Another point is what type of power plant supplies your electric power
    and how much pollution does it emit for your charging.
    I find it Funny that they describe some electric autos as "ZERO"
    Emission" as they ignore the power source of the charging current.

    They are saying that sometimes they are not as green as they appear to be.
    Just like those who demand paper bags at the grocery store because they are "GREEN" yet the paper bags take trees to make, cost more to ship because you ship fewer bags per pound to the store, release chemicals into the environment with their production... on and on. Paper does not work unless you reuse the hell out of those bags.

    Although I got a chance to drive a tesla for a day when I was working and it is nice... although I have to say it had a limited range it was very nice.

    Allen

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Allen Prunty on Mon May 30 08:45:46 2016
    30 May 16 00:27, you wrote to Tom Walker:

    They are saying that sometimes they are not as green as they appear to
    be. Just like those who demand paper bags at the grocery store because they are "GREEN" yet the paper bags take trees to make, cost more to
    ship because you ship fewer bags per pound to the store, release
    chemicals into the environment with their production... on and on.
    Paper does not work unless you reuse the hell out of those bags.

    paper works a hell of a lot better than that plastic crap blowing all over the landscape... plus we can still make covers for our books which cannot be done with plastic... and that plastic? there's a lot more chemicals in the environment from it... you can thank the oil industry, ya know... they're giving to everyone on both ends... lips service on the one side and a right royal screwing on the other...

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Mark Lewis on Mon May 30 16:57:52 2016
    On May 30, 2016 08:49am, mark lewis wrote to Allen Prunty:

    paper works a hell of a lot better than that plastic crap blowing all
    over the landscape... plus we can still make covers for our books which cannot be done with plastic... and that plastic? there's a lot more chemicals in the environment from it... you can thank the oil industry,
    ya know... they're giving to everyone on both ends... lips service on
    the one side and a right royal screwing on the other...

    What works better than paper or plastic is CLOTH... it's washable when it gets funky reusable to the n'th degree and I even have some nice cloth mesh produce bags with drawstrings I re-use and re-use every trip to the market.

    Allen

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Allen Prunty on Mon May 30 20:49:44 2016
    30 May 16 16:57, you wrote to me:

    paper works a hell of a lot better than that plastic crap blowing all
    over the landscape... plus we can still make covers for our books
    which cannot be done with plastic... and that plastic? there's a lot
    more chemicals in the environment from it... you can thank the oil
    industry, ya know... they're giving to everyone on both ends... lips
    service on the one side and a right royal screwing on the other...

    What works better than paper or plastic is CLOTH... it's washable when
    it gets funky reusable to the n'th degree and I even have some nice
    cloth mesh produce bags with drawstrings I re-use and re-use every
    trip to the market.

    funny thing about that is that not all cloth is actual "cloth"... i have long johns and shirts here that are made of recycled plastic fibers... i used to have several pairs of supposedly denim pants, too... looks and feels just like cloth but it isn't... either way, we have the oil industry to thank for the mess...

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Mark Lewis on Mon May 30 22:35:46 2016
    funny thing about that is that not all cloth is actual "cloth"... i have
    long
    johns and shirts here that are made of recycled plastic fibers... i used to have several pairs of supposedly denim pants, too... looks and feels just
    like
    cloth but it isn't... either way, we have the oil industry to thank for the mess...

    Fortunately Mark,

    The stuff that makes cloth, dishwashing detergent and etc from the oil
    are byproducts of gasoline production that otherwise would have been
    wasted.

    I don't think the oil industry is as bad as they claim it is, there are
    other industries that pollute more. If the petroleum is properly
    refined and cleaned it can be used safely.

    Like the coal industry they have "scrubbers" that remove all the carbon
    from the smoke in the electric plants. It is a solid that can be
    repurposed to other industries after removal. What makes coal bad is
    that India and China buy a bunch of Kentucky coal, but I doubt very
    seriously that it is burned in a clean manner.

    Allen
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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Tom Walker on Mon May 30 16:40:08 2016
    Another point is what type of power plant supplies your electric power
    and how much pollution does it emit for your charging.
    I find it Funny that they describe some electric autos as "ZERO"
    Emission" as they ignore the power source of the charging current.

    Very true. The only exception would be if the vehicle was charged with solar power.

    The power provider I use (which offers the best rate) generates the majority of
    it's power from nuclear.

    My old next door neighbor had a plug-in Chevy Volt. You couldn't even hear it drive up the street other than the tire noise.

    My Harley is the alarm clock for my entire cul-de-sac.. :)

    - Mark

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Mark Hofmann on Wed Jun 15 15:01:00 2016
    Mark Hofmann wrote to Tom Walker <=-

    Very true. The only exception would be if the vehicle was charged with solar power.

    Chargepoint keeps trying to sell me a solar car charger; sounds like a
    good idea.

    I was really excited when I saw a Prius with a solar panel roof - not
    so much when I found out all it does it power an exhaust fan to keep
    the inside cool.



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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Jun 16 10:26:06 2016
    On 06/15/16, Kurt Weiske said the following...

    Chargepoint keeps trying to sell me a solar car charger; sounds like a good idea.

    No but if they ever could get solar power panels that were uber efficient
    they would have something with a solar powered car. They already have a
    solar powered airplane but I hear it's so lightweight it's rediculously fragile.

    Allen

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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Kurt Weiske on Thu Jun 16 15:25:06 2016
    Chargepoint keeps trying to sell me a solar car charger; sounds like a
    good idea.

    The real question is what does the solar car charger power?

    I was really excited when I saw a Prius with a solar panel roof - not
    so much when I found out all it does it power an exhaust fan to keep
    the inside cool.

    That seemed to be a marketing gimmick.

    I'm still questioning why we have not moved more towards natural gas power vehicles.

    - Mark

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Allen Prunty on Thu Jun 16 21:39:00 2016
    Allen Prunty wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

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    On 06/15/16, Kurt Weiske said the following...

    Chargepoint keeps trying to sell me a solar car charger; sounds like a good idea.

    No but if they ever could get solar power panels that were uber
    efficient they would have something with a solar powered car. They already have a solar powered airplane but I hear it's so lightweight
    it's rediculously fragile.

    I have a solar charger for my boat... works great!


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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Mark Hofmann on Thu Jun 16 21:40:00 2016
    Mark Hofmann wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Chargepoint keeps trying to sell me a solar car charger; sounds like a good idea.

    The real question is what does the solar car charger power?

    I was really excited when I saw a Prius with a solar panel roof - not
    so much when I found out all it does it power an exhaust fan to keep
    the inside cool.

    That seemed to be a marketing gimmick.

    I'm still questioning why we have not moved more towards natural gas
    power vehicles.

    Or hydrogen for that matter... other than fuel cells.


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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to KURT WEISKE on Fri Jun 17 09:25:40 2016
    Mark Hofmann wrote to Tom Walker <=-

    Very true. The only exception would be if the vehicle was charged with solar power.

    Chargepoint keeps trying to sell me a solar car charger; sounds like a
    good idea.

    I was really excited when I saw a Prius with a solar panel roof - not
    so much when I found out all it does it power an exhaust fan to keep
    the inside cool.



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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to ALLEN PRUNTY on Fri Jun 17 09:30:08 2016
    On 06/15/16, Kurt Weiske said the following...

    Chargepoint keeps trying to sell me a solar car charger; sounds like a good idea.

    No but if they ever could get solar power panels that were uber efficient they would have something with a solar powered car. They already have a solar powered airplane but I hear it's so lightweight it's rediculously fragile.

    Allen

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to MARK HOFMANN on Fri Jun 17 09:35:44 2016

    Chargepoint keeps trying to sell me a solar car charger; sounds like a good idea.

    The real question is what does the solar car charger power?

    I was really excited when I saw a Prius with a solar panel roof - not
    so much when I found out all it does it power an exhaust fan to keep
    the inside cool.

    That seemed to be a marketing gimmick.

    I'm still questioning why we have not moved more towards natural gas power vehicles.

    - Mark

    That is because Natural Gas comes from the Oil Industry and they have been demonized into being the Bad Guys.
    The Fuel Cell is the real answer but even that is still depending on the
    Oil
    Industry as Natural Gas or Hydrogen are the most practical on them.

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to TOM WALKER on Fri Jun 17 19:13:01 2016
    The efficiency depends on the laws of Physics and they have almost
    reached the end of that road. Do Not expect and quantum increased in
    solar panel efficiency

    They said that once with PC Processing power before it crossed the GHZ threshold...they will someday hvae a more efficient solar panel.

    Allen

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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Tom Walker on Fri Jun 17 14:46:07 2016
    That is because Natural Gas comes from the Oil Industry and they have
    been demonized into being the Bad Guys.
    The Fuel Cell is the real answer but even that is still depending on the Oil
    Industry as Natural Gas or Hydrogen are the most practical on them.

    What we need is a major engine manufacturer create a natural gas powered engine
    for cars. Have the government give incentives for alternate fuel (like they do
    for solar), and that would get the ball rolling.

    The Oil industry will never take that lead since they are going to milk the gasoline cash cow forever until the industry makes the change.

    I would buy a natural gas or fuel celled powered vehicle. I'm sure many others
    would, too.

    - Mark

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  • From John Muir@1:154/10 to Mark Hofmann on Sun Aug 7 23:07:20 2016
    What we need is a major engine manufacturer create a natural gas powered engine for cars.
    That already exists in most countries where the fuel costs are enough to offset the downsides of CNG/LPG vehicles. In America, gasoline is the better option and probably will be until fossil fuels are replaced.
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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to JOHN MUIR on Tue Aug 9 11:31:28 2016
    What we need is a major engine manufacturer create a natural gas powered engine for cars.
    That already exists in most countries where the fuel costs are enough to
    offset
    the downsides of CNG/LPG vehicles. In America, gasoline is the better option and probably will be until fossil fuels are replaced.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to TOM WALKER on Tue Aug 9 18:13:24 2016
    Re: Re: 42K miles on my plug-in P
    By: TOM WALKER to JOHN MUIR on Tue Aug 09 2016 11:31 am

    Thh Internal combustion has about reached the end of it's run.
    I think the real future is in the fuel cell powered electric car

    I saw one of those Toyota fuel-cell cars a few weeks back. California only has a handful of HFC stations, but they're in all of the right places where you'd suspect the kind of early adopters would live and work.
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